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proware
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Where did Splendid come from?
Posted: 19 Aug 06 5:59 PM
Hi all at Splendid.

I am relatively new to SugarCRM, having been using the Professional version for about 4 months now, although I have already created over 100 posts in their Forum and they have definately been doing a great job of hiding info about Splendid CRM.

As a Microsoft house,  it would seem that Splendid is to solution to all our problems... or is it??

Where are you going with this product? What are your intentions? Who do you see as your target market? Do you plan to stay with Sugar functionality exactly or branch off into your own universe?

Apart from the fact that Splendid CRM is .Net based (great advantage), do you intend to constantly play catchup with Sugar or do you have other plans.

The major  weakness I can see from your 1.2 demo, is the same weakness that Sugar has. You compliment them by copying them but do a disservice to your users by also copying all of Sugar's flaws. I would have thought that you would have been much better keeping the basic functionality but going that step better by plugging in all the little niggles that add up to major usability issues.

I would switch over to you in a minute if I was to take a technical viewpoint, but can not since I would gain little from an end user point of view.

You might ask which features I am talking about but you just need to go through the Sugar Forum to see complaint after complaint, and feature request after feature request that mostly go unheeded.

I made this suggestion to them and will make the same to you. Features sell but its the little things that build brand loyalty.

You have the feature set already, so stop concentrating on new features and put your effort over the next year into refinement, little details, user interface elements etc.

I
would however strongly suggest you implement the new Ajax features in Sugar 4.5 whereby you can create most transactions from within a contact / account screen (create a call, opportunity etc).

I also could not see any Team management functionality which is critical to an organisation such as ours that has many sales reps out on the road.

Also, what is your policy on add-on vendors modules? How easy is it for us to make customised changes and have these easily continue after version updates? This is a major impediment for Sugar CRM.

So many questions, I feel I might have found the Holy Grail but is it just out of my reach?

Look forward to your feedback.

Cheers
David Younger
TSM - The Service Manager
david@theservicemanager.com
support
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Re: Where did Splendid come from?
Posted: 21 Aug 06 12:12 AM Modified By support  on 8/21/2006 1:52:56 AM)

David,

 

We have seen your posts on the SugarCRM forum and we hope that you will be equally active on ours.  There is no doubt in our minds that passionate customers, such as you, drive features and ensure quality.  Although you are a SugarCRM customer today, we hope to convert you to a SplendidCRM customer.

 

We have made a conscious effort to follow the UI, the schema and the feature set of SugarCRM.  The primary reason for doing this is to eliminate the need for a design team and for a documentation team.  Wherever possible, we try to architect and implement features using current standards and best practices.  For example, where as SugarCRM edits its HTML files in order to customize there layout, we drive our layout from the database.  The big advantage to being data-driven is that we will be able to create a fat-client with much less effort.  We can also run database validation scripts to ensure that referenced fields do indeed exist.

 

We are still playing catch-up to SugarCRM.  Hot on our list is an Import feature that will support importing native Excel files and XML files.  High on our list is team management.  We are also trying to find the time to move to .NET 2.0 style web applications with full support for MasterPages.  AJAX is also on our list.

 

There are three reasons to move to SplendidCRM:

1) our choice of .NET is a much better than PHP,

2) our code is much cleaner, and

3) our code is much faster.

 

Here are some reasons to move away from SugarCRM:

1) they don’t understand that a GUID is a standard and that you should never place text, like “will_id” or “sally_id”, in a GUID field,

2) they apparently do not understand XML, otherwise they would not store a PHP text array in the user preferences field,

3) they edit the HTML files as part of their layout management,

4) they just recently learned how to use Unicode,

 

Enough said,

Paul Rony

SplendidCRM Software, Inc.

 

proware
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Re: Where did Splendid come from?
Posted: 28 Aug 06 7:02 AM
Hi Paul

There is a significant opportunity here that I have been having off-line discussions with Clint about but he's either too busy to respond or not interested.

I think we need to have an off-line discussion.

As for us moving to Splendid, I am open to the idea however Sugar is already rough around the edges and missing major refinements we need for day to day running and Splendid is even further behind.

Although the platform is great and performance excellent, we would need to wait for a future version to move over.

Alternately, you should seriously consider branching out with your own extensions based on the Sugar code otherwise you might always be perceived as lagging behind Sugar.

For example, I have made at least 10 modification to Sugar. Do I need to do the same to your package? I would consider these mods basic functionality that anyone would require. Would you ever intend to incorporate such ideas into your code or will have the same version upgrade nightmares I have with Sugar (you did not address your version upgrade path for modifications and add-on modules in my previous email.

I am probably like everyone else in my needs, but like everyone else, have an ego centric view of how I want CRM to work.

We use Sugar for real world CRM requirements of our growing organisation, using it for almost every aspect of our operations and as such, any feature no matter how big or small is noticed if it either does not exist, causing us grief that way or is implemented in a half baked, inefficient way.

It is this last bit that concerns me if you are using Sugar CRM as your template. You would do yourself and your future clients a greater service to take a cue from others such as Info at Hand which uses Sugar as its base but has branched off on a tangent with real world features and refinements demanded not only by their users but no doubt, their own needs as CRM users.

I apologise but I do tend to ramble on sometimes but it frustrates me the way some software developers take a selective view of which features they wish to implement in a software package and which they choose to leave out.

Food for thought

Cheers
David Younger
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Re: Where did Splendid come from?
Posted: 29 Aug 06 12:24 PM

David,

We appreciate this kind of feedback.  Our goal is to become a serious competitor to the larger CRMs, but we have significantly less resources, so we must choose our features carefully.

Our short-term goal is to follow SugarCRM.  We do this to minimize or even eliminate the need for designers and documenters.  Although it may seem short-sighted to follow SugarCRM so closely, we have been able to accomplish nearly as much as the SugarCRM team with one-tenth the manpower and one-hundredth the financial resources.

Before we can venture into new territory, we still need to implement some core features, such as import and team management.  Most important of all, we need to make sure that we keep the bugs under control.  Rushing to add features will not server anybody if the product becomes unstable.

 

bobd
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Re: Where did Splendid come from?
Posted: 30 Aug 06 9:32 AM
Hi Paul

I feel the best way to get around the resource problem is to exploit the great advantage of open-source - i.e. getting other contributers involved. A strategy that gets an operational framework in place for contributed code would move things much more quickly.

Regards, Bob
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